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Title: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 06, 2012, 15:35:42
I have a weird thing with my car. When ever it is cold outside like under 45 degrees and I don't let my car warm up and just go to take off it wants to stall at first but once I feather it and get it going good it's fine. Even if the car is not warmed up yet. It's like I will get in it, pump twice and it starts right up as long as I keep my foot on the gas pedal for about 15 seconds, then it runs on its own just fine. I adjusted the fast idle cam and it works after me keeping my foot on the pedal for 15 seconds but that's it. And it doesn't sound like its idling very high for how much I have the cam set. Then as it sets for a little bit it idles higher until I tap the pedal and it comes down to the normal 750-800 rpm. I believe this is a choke thing.   

But back to when it's still cold. I put it in gear and press the gas and it wants to stall. Feather it and it operates normally. Drive to the end of my block and press the gas again and it does it again but this time it doesn't want to stall just barely hesitates a little bit before going. I think it may be a choke problem bc once the needle even barely moves off the cold mark it is fine. Any input would be great.

Oh and ps I just switched to mopar performance electronic ignition
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: 79dodge4ever on December 06, 2012, 16:36:16
simple; any carburated car you can't get in it when its cold and take off; theres a warm up period. I let carburated engines run no less then 5 minutes before pulling it into gear

if you don't like warm up times buy a fuel injected car
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Snotzalot on December 06, 2012, 16:42:36
Check to see if your choke pull off is working.

A proper choke set up on a carbureted engine  is good to go in less than a minute.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 06, 2012, 17:28:29
Well jeez thats a blunt statement 79. Im not complaining just seeing if something was wrong. But yeah I thought it was just bc it was carbureted but I didn't know for sure. It's good to drive in about a minute or so.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: 79dodge4ever on December 06, 2012, 17:44:36
Well jeez thats a blunt statement 79. Im not complaining just seeing if something was wrong. But yeah I thought it was just bc it was carbureted but I didn't know for sure. It's good to drive in about a minute or so.

I'm sorry if I came across rude but most people never give carburated cars any patients anymore; they think as soon as it starts its ready to go
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 06, 2012, 18:04:06
Yep, 79 is right.
I plan at least an extra five minutes for warm up.
Mine does the same thing.
They like to warm up or else they get ornery.
Just let her warm up and your golden.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 06, 2012, 18:11:51
Check to see if your choke pull off is working.

A proper choke set up on a carbureted engine  is good to go in less than a minute.

Exactly. It probably just needs a minor adjustment somewhere.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 06, 2012, 18:18:22
Its all good 79 I understand you on people not being patient with carbureted cars. And yeah, right after class today I let her warm up for about a minute or so and she was golden. Got to about in between the first and second mark on my temp gauge. No hesitation or stumbling.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 06, 2012, 18:18:54
Exactly. It probably just needs a minor adjustment somewhere.

All I know is mine will be fairly pissy if I try to take off after one minute.
Sure, she'll go but she won't be happy about it.
My carb is set up perfectly.
It's the engine itself that likes to be warmed up.
On a cold day, I let her warm up and she runs like a dream.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: DobaMark on December 06, 2012, 18:57:44
Really?  I never needed to let my cars warm up when I drove carbureted cars.  And this was when I lived in Ohio where it got cold.  I'd start them, let them run a couple seconds then kick down off the fast idle and go.  I'd bet with some choke work the car won't be near as cold blooded.  I had great luck soaking the stock choke springs with solvent once a year or so while working the spring.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: 270SE on December 06, 2012, 19:06:06
Okay, there's actually a lot there.


The starting- that's normal for a properly tuned car.


Now the having to let it warm up thing sounds like the choke is not functioning optimally or not working well at all. It'd be good to go ahead and check the operation closely.


2 barrels tend to have much worse choke problems. Check it carefully as it's not unlikely for it to be all kinds of rough.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 06, 2012, 19:43:33
Chavlics car is lb free so he's got a while different animal now.
Could be choke.
Mine still has "the brain"
She'll run cold, but way better warm.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 06, 2012, 20:38:25
Really?  I never needed to let my cars warm up when I drove carbureted cars.  And this was when I lived in Ohio where it got cold.  I'd start them, let them run a couple seconds then kick down off the fast idle and go.  I'd bet with some choke work the car won't be near as cold blooded.  I had great luck soaking the stock choke springs with solvent once a year or so while working the spring.

If it kicks off the fast idle then it's warm enough to drive.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: MoparDan on December 06, 2012, 21:43:40
All four of mine always needed 5 minutes or so, with Fury I have noticed a slight hesitation when I first put her in gear, though I park on a bit of an incline, where as the the other three I still lived at home and had a flat driveway (maybe I just never noticed)
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 06, 2012, 22:08:47
Chavlics car is lb free so he's got a while different animal now.
Could be choke.
Mine still has "the brain"
She'll run cold, but way better warm.

The only difference that makes is both running properly the computer will give better gas mileage. They should all run better warm but still not have any problems when they are cold.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 06, 2012, 23:01:16
The only difference that makes is both running properly the computer will give better gas mileage. They should all run better warm but still not have any problems when they are cold.

I figure mine's just grumpy in the morning.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 06, 2012, 23:22:16
Yeah it runs fine and warms up fine, I just didn't know if that was the way it is supposed to be. But yeah in my opinion I think it gets better mileage (performance for sure) without the lean burn, even if it is working properly. I think with the 318 lean burn with a 2bbl got about 15 city and 20 highway. With me that seemed about right when I had my lean burn, although the best I ever got was 23 mpg on the highway. Since ditching the lean burn I have yet to see what it is on the highway but city its about 17-18 mpg so I would assume highway has got to be at least 23-25 mpg but we will see when I take it up north next spring. And that's without new wheel bearings which will be done next spring also. 
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 07, 2012, 00:17:10
Then it wasn't working properly. Remember, there'd be a reason why you got rid of it. Swapping over means new parts too which also makes a difference.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: fifthcrunch on December 07, 2012, 05:46:16
That is not the way it is supposed to be.  When you start a cold carbureted engine, the throttle must first be depressed.  That allows the choke to close all the way (if it is adjusted correctly, just barely touching the air horn and not tight).  That pump also gives it a squirt of gas, which is also necessary.  Some engines need a second or third squirt.  If all is well, should then start instantly, maybe not as quick as an injected engine.  Again, if all is right, should drive off right away.  There is a vacuum choke pull-off that opens the choke a little once the engine is running, because having the choke closed all the way would cause flooding.  If it doesn't pull off properly, it will want to stall.  Before it starts and the choke is closed, the fast idle should be on the largest cam.  After starting, depressing the throttle allows the pull-off to open the choke that little bit (there is a spec for each carb) and allow the fast idle cam to move down one notch.  If the choke and pull-off are not correctly adjusted, it will want to stall.  Also, if there is any internal carb problem, that could cause it to not run quite rich enough to prevent stalling.  Gas goes bad awfully fast sometimes, and this can cause partial clogs in carb passages.  These often require disassembly and thorough cleaning, which should include soaking in a strong carb cleaner such as chemtool overnight.
Since it runs ok otherwise, you might not want to put in the effort to change anything and just let it idle and warm up for a minute or so.  Of course, when you are trying to get away from the bank heist and Larry is after you, you might want the car to go instantly.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 08, 2012, 14:33:04
Then it wasn't working properly. Remember, there'd be a reason why you got rid of it. Swapping over means new parts too which also makes a difference.

Sorry I didn't specify enough. What I meant was WHEN it worked properly, obviously I know it is going to get better mileage now than when the lean burn was about to go. But even WHEN it did work properly, I still get better mileage without it.

Also, if there is any internal carb problem, that could cause it to not run quite rich enough to prevent stalling.  Gas goes bad awfully fast sometimes, and this can cause partial clogs in carb passages.  These often require disassembly and thorough cleaning, which should include soaking in a strong carb cleaner such as chemtool overnight.
Since it runs ok otherwise, you might not want to put in the effort to change anything and just let it idle and warm up for a minute or so.  Of course, when you are trying to get away from the bank heist and Larry is after you, you might want the car to go instantly.

And I just had the carb professionally rebuilt less than a month ago so I know for sure the carb is working properly. Plus it didn't do this when it was warmer outside so I think the choke just needs a little adjusting that's all. And the fast idle is on the largest cam when it is cold and does kick down when I give the gas pedal a little tap after about a minute.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: fifthcrunch on December 08, 2012, 15:10:06
Actually, if the rebuilder didn't soak it overnight, there is a good chance it has partially clogged passages.  It's just like saying, I know there's nothing wrong with this part, because it's brand new.  We all have had plenty of bad new parts.  With rebuilding carbs, the percentage goes way up.
Also, the first kickdown of the fast idle should happen right away after starting, as soon as the pedal is depressed.  Should then go to second cam from the top.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 08, 2012, 15:19:55
I know for a fact that the carb is fine. Guy has been rebuilding carbs for over 30 years and took over his dads shop when he was too old to run it so I think he knows what he is doing. I know he soaked it bc I told him it had been sitting for a couple years and he replaced everything on it. Everything is brand new and I even stopped by to see how it was coming along and I got to peek inside the carburetor when he had it all apart so I know everything is solid. Really reasonable guy too, bc I didn't have a car to go pick it up from him so he dropped it off to me at my house some 15 miles away! I think it is just a choke problem.

Oh and of course I know my slight vacuum leak coming from the egr valve prob has something to do with it too. It is a very very small leak but it doesn't matter how small, it will still affect things. I need to get a block off plate bc I have no means of making one right now.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 08, 2012, 15:22:19
Also, the first kickdown of the fast idle should happen right away after starting, as soon as the pedal is depressed.  Should then go to second cam from the top.

Doesn't it kickdown once the engine is a little bit warmed up? How can it kick down immediately right after you start it? I understand its just the first notch but still it hasn't even gotten a chance to warm up yet.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 08, 2012, 15:53:28
Just because the guy knows what he is doing doesn't mean it was rebuilt with zero problems. That's just like saying there are zero problems with anything bought brand new because the companies that make them make millions a year. [Edited by Farley's] happens.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 08, 2012, 16:29:28
I understand that, all I'm saying is that I know it is not a carb problem based off of the symptoms. If one of the passages was clogged or it was a carb problem it would act that way all the time regardless of engine temperature. And it doesn't.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: DobaMark on December 08, 2012, 17:02:56
Doesn't it kickdown once the engine is a little bit warmed up? How can it kick down immediately right after you start it? I understand its just the first notch but still it hasn't even gotten a chance to warm up yet.
If the choke is set properly, it will kick down of the highest fast idle immediately.  It will stay at a faster than warm idle for a little while though.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: DobaMark on December 08, 2012, 17:03:51
I understand that, all I'm saying is that I know it is not a carb problem based off of the symptoms. If one of the passages was clogged or it was a carb problem it would act that way all the time regardless of engine temperature. And it doesn't.
The engine will be more sensitive to a too lean or too rich mixture when cold.  I think the problem is 100% choke related, but there is still a chance other factors can come into play.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: fifthcrunch on December 09, 2012, 06:25:19
First, it is nearly impossible to know that a carb is ok.  There are several internal passages that make right angle bends and are impossible to diagnose.  There are times when they won't clean up no matter what.  Second, you are going to have to teach yourself how to set up a choke.  Third, any vacuum leak is going to cause more problems cold.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 09, 2012, 10:24:47
You running 5W30 or summer 10W30?
Takes longer to pump a thick oil first thing.

Also what grade of gas?
Manual says 87 acceptable-91 Recomended.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 09, 2012, 10:34:47
You running 5W30 or summer 10W30?
Takes longer to pump a thick oil first thing.

Also what grade of gas?
Manual says 87 acceptable-91 Recomended.

Nothing but 91 for my babies.
87 is crap.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 09, 2012, 13:30:43
Yeah I run 87 but I put octane booster in at every fill up so I guess I could say 91. I can't justify paying 4 bucks a gallon for premium in a car that is 27 years old. Cheaper just to buy a 2.50$ of octane booster and add it to the tank. And yeah the vacuum leak is extremely small but if it's one thing Ive learned it is that it doesn't matter how small the vacuum leak, bc it will still mess things up. I run 10W30 castrol high mileage part synthetic oil. But yeah it does kick down off the biggest notch right when I start it so that is working properly. I just have to tweek the choke a little bit. Other than that I just have to let it warm up for a minute if I want it to operate completely smooth. Besides that it has tons of power and runs great.



 
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 09, 2012, 14:14:57
Synthetic oil doesn't burn, so it will foul up the plugs on cars that where built long before synthetic oil.

If I had a new EFI OBDII motor, then synthetic oil is the way.
Old carb motors...nope.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 09, 2012, 14:25:44
If you look closely though almost ,key word being almost, all oil now is part synthetic. I didn't even know they (castrol) changed their high mileage to part synthetic bc when I first started using it, it was bc it was thicker and not synthetic. Thicker oil = more protection for a motor that has over 100k on it. And it is part synthetic not full synthetic.   
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 09, 2012, 17:11:30
I use whatever oil the car was supposed to use originally. And since none of mine use synthetic none of them get it.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 09, 2012, 17:38:54
I can't justify paying 4 bucks a gallon for premium in a car that is 27 years old.
 
I would think THAT'S the car that would need 91
The newer cars don't care as much.



GTX High Mileage is all I use.
91 octane only.
My 5th loves it.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: lsm360 on December 09, 2012, 23:04:10
I use whatever oil the car was supposed to use originally. And since none of mine use synthetic none of them get it.
That's what I do now. I used to be tempted to put synthetic in the older engines, but not any more. Just more frequent changes than the synthetic cars.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 10, 2012, 17:02:55
It operates just fine on what I put in for gas and the octane booster as well as the oil I have been using. And where does it tell you exactly what oil to use? I know it tells you the weight the oil should be that you use but thats it.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 10, 2012, 17:04:30
I would think THAT'S the car that would need 91
The newer cars don't care as much.

When your planning on tearing the motor apart as soon as you get another DD you can justify not paying out the a$$ for premium in such an old car lol 
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 10, 2012, 20:50:20
When your planning on tearing the motor apart as soon as you get another DD you can justify not paying out the a$$ for premium in such an old car lol

I've got a soft spot for any old Mopar engine.
I treat my smogger 318 and my slant like gold.

Today's bonus (speaking of 91)
The Shell I go to was out of the 87 crap,
So they were selling 91 for the 87 price.   :biggrin:

Glug, glug, glug......
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 10, 2012, 22:38:02
Gotta love it when that happens. My stock 318 5th gets87. 360 gets 89 cause it'll ping. Been a while since I filled em tho.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 12, 2012, 17:43:42
GTX High Mileage is all I use.
My 5th loves it.

I use the same, but next time look at the label right under or above where it says 10w30. It now says PART synthetic. Key word being PART, not full synthetic.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 12, 2012, 18:29:55
I use the same, but next time look at the label right under or above where it says 10w30. It now says PART synthetic. Key word being PART, not full synthetic.

I saw that too.   :doh:
It's almost impossible to get good ol' oil and descent gas these days.
I'll have to check a bottle of straight GTX and see what it says.
If it's not part synthetic I might start using that and just do more frequent oil changes.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 12, 2012, 18:41:09
It really is fine if it is part synthetic, as long as it is not full synthetic. Full synthetic is a major no no in carbureted motors. I have been using GTX high mileage for 4 going on 5 years now and have had no problems. Still burns a little bit when I start her up for the first time everyday. (valve seals) and doesn't foul up plugs or anything. All my plugs were just changed after putting 30,000 on them and all looked great except for cylinders 5 and 7 which have the bad valve seals. Just a little black thats all, but not fouled.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 12, 2012, 18:46:06
Yeah that's true,
Going on at least four or five years for me too.
Never had an issue with the GTX high mike either.
I just get ticked that they keep messing with our oil.   :rant:
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Chavlics on December 12, 2012, 18:57:30
Yeah that's true,
Going on at least four or five years for me too.
Never had an issue with the GTX high mike either.
I just get ticked that they keep messing with our oil.   :rant:

I hear ya on that one
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: DobaMark on December 13, 2012, 03:17:20
I've never used "high mileage" oil, not even in the cars I had with 200k miles on them.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 13, 2012, 06:51:00
I've never used "high mileage" oil, not even in the cars I had with 200k miles on them.

How come?
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 13, 2012, 18:39:24
I've never used "high mileage" oil, not even in the cars I had with 200k miles on them.

Never have I.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 13, 2012, 18:47:57
Never have I.

Again....
How come?
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: 79dodge4ever on December 17, 2012, 18:20:32
Again....
How come?

its not needed; high mileage engine oil contains additives to swell oil seals and such and can be very hard on an engine; I think nearly any conventional motor oil will work fine as long as you use a good filter and change it regularly; most people think oil never wears out; technically there correct but it does get dirty and loose its lubricating properties
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 17, 2012, 18:29:18
its not needed; high mileage engine oil contains additives to swell oil seals and such and can be very hard on an engine; I think nearly any conventional motor oil will work fine as long as you use a good filter and change it regularly; most people think oil never wears out; technically there correct but it does get dirty and loose its lubricating properties

I had no idea about the swelling factor!!!
I think I need to immediately change to straight GTX!!!
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: DobaMark on December 17, 2012, 18:33:14
I also assumed they probably cranked up the detergents, but I don't know for sure.  I figured if the car ran OK on regular oil, wasn't sludged up and didn't leak (and I fixed leaks when it did) then there was no need for anything other than the regular oil I always ran.

The cars I kept for the highest mileage were the ones I ran whatever brand of oil (but always the same weight) and what ever oil filter was cheapest.  The ones with the most miles when I sold them were a 1988 Gran Fury (200k but rust was getting to it, as were suspension issues), 1995 Neon (225k miles, sold to a co-worker and it's still her backup car though it sees little use now) and a 1993 Dakota (sold with 217k to my neighbor who has been driving it daily the last 3 years).
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 17, 2012, 18:55:06
I've never been an additive guy.
I'm going to regular GTX.
Hopefully the high mileage hasn't swollen anything to the point where it's going to leak somewhere once I stop using it...
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 17, 2012, 19:28:03
I know :p, another Herb McCandless story. :whist:
But when asked about additives, he just laughed them off as snake oil.

Then what is the correct amount for engine A? and it's the same amount for all motors?
So a slant six needs the same amount as a 440?
Really? :umm:

Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 17, 2012, 19:50:23
I know :p, another Herb McCandless story. :whist:
But when asked about additives, he just laughed them off as snake oil.

Then what is the correct amount for engine A? and it's the same amount for all motors?
So a slant six needs the same amount as a 440?
Really? :umm:

Only used snake oil once.
Tranny was slipping in the craprice I had.
Put that lucas crap in
Sent it to it's maker.   :blink:
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 17, 2012, 19:57:27
The only thing he really likes was http://www.z-alt.com/
for leaded motors that need zinc.

When I asked about that stuff on my 79 and ups, he said just use regular oil.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 17, 2012, 20:00:05
The only thing he really likes was http://www.z-alt.com/
for leaded motors that need zinc.

When I asked about that stuff on my 79 and ups, he said just use regular oil.

What about my 78 Super Six?
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Mike on December 17, 2012, 20:20:28
 Good ole Herb. Ice's hero :p
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 17, 2012, 20:23:02
Good ole Herb. Ice's hero :p

Yep.
Herb is a legend though.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 17, 2012, 20:35:08
Good ole Herb. Ice's hero :p

Spend some time with him and you will see.
Real classy. :thumb:
Met plenty of famous names and there was no better experiance

Met other drivers who I thought were good. No names. :whist:
Mr Fram, the guy with no son drivers-Sucked :rant:
A big name Indy driver-Sucked :doh: M.A. Major A$$
A big name canuck Indy driver-Sucked. :pound:
Should change his first name to Dick, just like that detective.
No Names though.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: lsm360 on December 17, 2012, 23:41:31
What about my 78 Super Six?
I know this gets a little controversial Cap'n, but if that motor is a flat tappet cam (must be, right guys?), then a oil with a zinc additive is prudent. I add it to my '89 S Code with flat tappet cam.

I wouldn't be worried about going back to regular oil from the high mileage. I used it a couple of times when Walmart was out of the standard one and have gone back to the standard one without problems. High Mileage oils claim to have more detergents to fight sludge and conditioners for seals, but you'll be ok going back.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: 79dodge4ever on December 18, 2012, 15:59:09
I know this gets a little controversial Cap'n, but if that motor is a flat tappet cam (must be, right guys?), then a oil with a zinc additive is prudent. I add it to my '89 S Code with flat tappet cam.

I wouldn't be worried about going back to regular oil from the high mileage. I used it a couple of times when Walmart was out of the standard one and have gone back to the standard one without problems. High Mileage oils claim to have more detergents to fight sludge and conditioners for seals, but you'll be ok going back.

an additive would help but dads 80 slant 6 never seen any; just quaker state 10w30
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Ice Cold on December 18, 2012, 16:44:20
A 78 and 79 motor is the same.
If Herb says regular oil is fine and I don't need Z-Alt, then I'll go that route.
Title: Re: Hesistates when engine is cold
Post by: Captain Caravelle on December 18, 2012, 17:10:31
A 78 and 79 motor is the same.
If Herb says regular oil is fine and I don't need Z-Alt, then I'll go that route.

I'll buy that.
Kinda figured I was ok.